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Ozark Conference should take some lessons from the COC

 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:29 am    Post subject: Ozark Conference should take some lessons from the COC Reply with quote

When you look at the success the COC has had compared to the OC, the differences seem like they are continuing to magnify as time goes on. The biggest differences the Springfield community points out are: 1) No program in the latter elementary years to expose kids to volleyball. 2) Essentially non existant middle school volleyball programs (Springfield). 3) No real support or expectations of success for the coaches involved. We will continue to have kids move out of the OC to the COC if these issues are not addressed some day. Sad really. Best of luck to the COC teams representing SWMO in KC at State.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I totally agree. This is the thought that has woken me up in the middle of the night several times. Its a horrible situation we have all been exposed to, and I am determined to fix it. Thank you, VB fan, for bringing it to the forefront.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

guys no kidding i cried for easily over an hour after reading this. I mean I always knew this had been an issue, but I just...I just never wanted to admit it. But now that this had been brought to the forefront, theres no reason to ignore this. CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE!!! and I will NOT rest until these changes have been made. Just like Obama said "Its time for change."
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look, with all due respect to the volleyball programs throughout the entire world, I don't think it's a HUGE deal for the OC or Springfield R-12.

Kickapoo had a TOP OF THE LINE program back in the 80's. Glendale has been the best program this decade with two final four appearances and three quarterfinal appearances.

But sometimes you don't have the talent. Plain and simple. I don't think that means the talent will NEVER come back or the programs are going to die!!!!

Kickapoo will be back. Glendale went 29-7 this year.

Ozark won the state title tonight. Good for them.

This is an OZARK CONFERENCE message board. Please keep any COC talk off of it. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carl Henderson wrote:
Yeah! Screw the COC! Springfield Catholic can eat crap!
whoa! whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whats with the direct shot at Springfield Catholic, Carl? Why not Marshfield?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i know lebanon holds camps for the younger kids in the summer but it's just not enough exposure. if you look at football the kids are playing when they are like 4. i would like to see volleyball take the same route.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 8:23 pm    Post subject: Response to Glendale Falcon Reply with quote

In all due respect, Mr. Falcon, it's not a matter of talent, it's a matter of skill, knowledge and experience. Glendale has done well primarily because of good coaching knowledge (x's and o's) - - but the focus, unfortunately, is all about the varsity, because Springfield schools are "still in the blocks when the gun has gone off." Because of that, the focus has to be more inordinately on the varsity, because that's where the wins count.

Sure, there are cyclical spells of incoming talent, but Springfield is at a disadvantage in Volleyball as noted previously:

1. No feeder programs in elementary school.
2. No communication of available club volleyball programs, tryouts, etc.
3. Middle school volleyball in Springfield begins after the normal volleyball season. Therefore, Springfield middle school volleyball players are at a disadvantage for club volleyball tryouts when area players have just completed playing their school seasons.
4. No strong, positive enabling-type coaches to draw more students to the game and keep them interested. High turnover!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Response to Glendale Falcon Reply with quote

Falcon Nation wrote:
In all due respect, Mr. Falcon, it's not a matter of talent, it's a matter of skill, knowledge and experience. Glendale has done well primarily because of good coaching knowledge (x's and o's) - - but the focus, unfortunately, is all about the varsity, because Springfield schools are "still in the blocks when the gun has gone off." Because of that, the focus has to be more inordinately on the varsity, because that's where the wins count.

Sure, there are cyclical spells of incoming talent, but Springfield is at a disadvantage in Volleyball as noted previously:

1. No feeder programs in elementary school.
2. No communication of available club volleyball programs, tryouts, etc.
3. Middle school volleyball in Springfield begins after the normal volleyball season. Therefore, Springfield middle school volleyball players are at a disadvantage for club volleyball tryouts when area players have just completed playing their school seasons.
4. No strong, positive enabling-type coaches to draw more students to the game and keep them interested. High turnover!

Respectfully,

Falcon Nation


1. Springfield R-12 shouldn't be doing anything extra with the economy and without ALL schools having A/C. Why don't YOU start a voluntary elementary volleyball program!!!!!

2. They need to get some simple, low cost web sites going so the communication can be better. Once again, that's up to PARENTS and other volleyball nuts to get started, NOT the public school system.

3. If the schedules conflict, then they need to be changed.

4. I don't know about the other R-12 coaches, but Coach Bates at Glendale does a fantastic job based on her record and what people say. You sound like a typically bitter, over-the-top Glendale/Kickapoo parent to me.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Response to Glendale Falcon Reply with quote

Falcon Nation wrote:
In all due respect, Mr. Falcon, it's not a matter of talent, it's a matter of skill, knowledge and experience. Glendale has done well primarily because of good coaching knowledge (x's and o's) - - but the focus, unfortunately, is all about the varsity, because Springfield schools are "still in the blocks when the gun has gone off." Because of that, the focus has to be more inordinately on the varsity, because that's where the wins count.

Sure, there are cyclical spells of incoming talent, but Springfield is at a disadvantage in Volleyball as noted previously:

1. No feeder programs in elementary school.
2. No communication of available club volleyball programs, tryouts, etc.
3. Middle school volleyball in Springfield begins after the normal volleyball season. Therefore, Springfield middle school volleyball players are at a disadvantage for club volleyball tryouts when area players have just completed playing their school seasons.
4. No strong, positive enabling-type coaches to draw more students to the game and keep them interested. High turnover!

Respectfully,

Falcon Nation


How would any of the things you listed have led an all-state OC setter to transfer her senior year to a coc school that has tons of talent (and a couple of other former OC players) but needs...I don't know..a setter to make a state title run?

Springfield's biggest problem (in all sports) is keeping the star players they have developed from leaving to local coc schools.
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